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I hate to use that word as the subject matter
but I really fear that I am getting depressed, and I am determined to fight it OFF!

I do not not taking supplements other than vit C and Vit D3... which I have taken for some time now... when in hospital and since I have not been taking them, antibiotics and stuff didn`t want to risk interfering with the botics.

so now back on them, but really down and tearful...

I know I have to get out, and meet people whish is not how I have ever been, well working full time never had to.

hubby and I been home people and don`t like travelling or crowds of people, so sort of slightly "loners" but I do like people, I like watching them, rather than joining in.

but now I have to do something

so really came here to say, I have just taken my first 5-HTP tablet, [sign in to see URL] a.m. half hour before breakfast...

I was going to ask the doc first, but I donot want to have prescription antidepressant stuff

so I bravely emoticon decided I would try these tablets first.

so really just trying to break through this barrier my mind is trying to build round me, and share with you ,,, you have been so supportive of me,

and there... any comments greatly appreciated for which I thank you

I do remember Susan, that you have taken these tablets for some time now.

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 emoticon 's Nanny

There is no shame in getting a prescription to help you. I went through all of the prescriptions that existed at the time before trying 5-HTP.

Be sure you are taking enough 5-HTP. The starting dose for depression is 300 MG.

I have taken 5-HTP since 1995.

My mother took Wellbutrin and she did wonderfully well on that for 8 years.

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thanks Susan,
I don`t feel any shame if I have to take a prescription drug, I just don`t like taking drugs if I can help it..

thanks for this Susan

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 emoticon I got you this lovely bouquet of flowers. emoticon

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HI NANNY! emoticon
Admitting to yourself, that you need to do something..... it the hardest step of all. Now that you let your own self, accept that you need to change something, you have already begun to win this battle.
I have two [sign in to see URL] since we were still in diapers. And her mother suffered depression before her. She is on prescription meds, but said they only helped about half. So she actually joined a Yoga/meditation class. I was surprised, as she is NOT a people person. But she loves it. (The Yoga is very mild). She also said to improve her health (which also helps with depression)...she joined a "Senior" exercise class in a warm water swimming pool near her. She did not realize how much the paddling around in the warm water helped her mood, until she had to stop for a shoulder surgery!
BUT even if you do not want prescription medications. Your doctor should now what you are doing. Some over the counter herbal supplements, interfere with normal medications. AND some normal medications can bring on depression.
SO you really should tell your doctor what you are doing.
AND we will always support you. emoticon

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I agree about telling your doctor about any natural medicines you are taking. My doctor knows I take 5-HTP and we have discussed it.

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Dear Nanny,

that is so brave. emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

Please consider adding a Vit B complex that has B6 and B2 in it in addition to B12. The B6 especially makes a huge difference with depression, and it's a very simple (and cheap) way of dealing with this.

And talk to your doc about it. He/She should know what you're doing and what helps.

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on my fourth day of 5 -HTP take one in the morning and one at night.

don`t know if they are helping, but crying is , touch wood, lessening.. I hate the crying.. it is stopping me from meeting what few people I can meet. and going out

found some Tai Chi on Youtube, I think I could do that.. but have to find a class locally that I can get to.

did I tell you that Freddie (canary ) died the previous night?

oh dear!

thanks everyone it so helps to be able to come here and talk, you are all very supportive, it so helps to know that I am now alone

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*hugs*

Glad the crying is less. emoticon emoticon emoticon

And I'm so sorry Freddie died. He was a most excellent canary.

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Oh, no!!!! Not Freddie, too! How awful! It is no wonder that you are depressed. You have lost two babies that were very close to you.

 emoticon 's dear lady. We all love you. emoticon

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Oh Nanny, you have every right to cry, depressed or not! I bawl my eyes out when I lose one of my fur kids.... emoticon
You keep taking that and keep on [sign in to see URL] it out. I know some people think that there is a certain length of time that people should cry/mourn, but there is not. Each is different and that is a good thing.
YOU feel better when you [sign in to see URL], then cry! emoticon
It will lessen and [sign in to see URL] day you won't need to cry. emoticon

I think I could do Tai Chi too. It is supposedly the best way to reduce stress and help your body stretch and relax and get centered... emoticon

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Oh, Nanny, I am so sorry that you lost your dear Freddie. Of course you are teary, he was a beloved family member, a great source of joy in your life. emoticon

My doctor once told me to try 5HTP. I had told him that my cat died and I was heartbroken. He told me to get a certain book from the library, which I did, and it was all about using natural means to treat depression. I don't really know if it helped me, as I slowly got over the worst sadness of my kitty loss. That was some years ago, I believe 1997, when my 20 year old Rusty died.

I believe it takes some time for 5HTP to work, it isn't an instant fix.

I have also read that if you take melatonin for sleep it will work better if you take 5HTP during the day.

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thanks everyone, thankyou so much,

just knowing that you are here, and care .. really helps..

I am listening to everything that everyone is saying
this is so "not me" lost appetite also, I never lose my appetite.
I do have a docs appointment next week, we have to wait 3 weeks to get an appointment

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Loss of appetite is a symptom of many things, depression included.
I hope you don't think we are being "pushy" or "know it all's" when we relate instances and drug info and such to ourselves. We are instead trying to use any experience we might have, to help you. emoticon

You make sure when you get to the [sign in to see URL] don't just make this out to be not that big a deal. THIS DEPRESSION IS A VERY BIG [sign in to see URL] you need to bring it up and keep bringing it up until that doctor understands how serious it is with you.

I have two dear friends who are and have been dealing with one form or another of depression their whole [sign in to see URL] breaks my heart that I can't physically help them. Just have to be there [sign in to see URL] with you. emoticon

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no Queeny I do NOT think any of you being pushy or anything other than being very helpful

o.k. I have had a red mark on my nose for years, went to the doc`s just when all this seem to have started, saw a skin doc at our local surgery, and about the same time saw another doc about my bladder issues, then my world seemed to collapse, with the bacterial infection and hospital so these two issues, nose mark and bladder got left behind.

now back with my nose mark, whilst the doc thought it was o.k. still said I should have a biopsy, which he did yesterday..

I had one of these years back on a smaller mark, no problem..
yesterday, he put something over my face! ARGH I am claustrophobic, which I deal with by trying to keep out of situations. like public toilets won`t close the door!

so descended into tears, and gosh it was awful, nearly broke the nurses hand as I held on to her, after all over, (I have a plaster across my nose which I can take offin the morning, Friday, it is [sign in to see URL] a.m here)
absolutely shattered, the doc/nurse was a bit concerned about me, got me into a wheelchair, wouldn`t let me walk to the car, which wasn`t that far away.

so.. quite depleted now with all that "stress"?? whatever.


so more stress/depletion of me! as I have always thought of myself as a relatively strong person.

obviously only strong whilst I am well!

my friend is coming tomorrow so she will supervise taking off the plaster. 2 stitches to be removed in about 10 days, and test results in 4/5 weeks.

ah well. I am just not me anymore.

Just sharing with you all, as you are all so kind and understanding
for which I cannot thank you enough



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*hugs and hugs*

Nanny, a panic reaction is nothing to be ashamed of - it's not something you can plan or control. And they do take a lot out of you, because your body is in massive fight/survival mode. No wonder you're exhausted and shattered.

 emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

This also has nothing to do with being a strong person. You are a strong person!

But even willpower has no chance against a panic reaction. It means our old reptile brain takes over and overwhelms rational thought. And that is NOT your fault at all. It just happens. (And it can happen to everyone.)

Give yourself some pampering. Be really nice to yourself. Take naps if you want them. Go for a walk. Most of all... this will pass and things will get better.

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Thanks Firle, I have never been in a place like this, that I can remember

you are all so very supportive and encouraging

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 emoticon 's to you dear Nanny. I, too, still think you are a strong person. You have just had too much to deal with lately. Panic attacks are nothing to be ashamed of! I have had my share. I freaked out yesterday morning and CJ called right at the peak and I cried everything out to her. That really helped re-set me. Your are a fine, strong lady. I will be glad for you when the plaster is off.

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OH Nanny! You are STILL a strong person. Those panic attacks are nothing that can be controlled, especially when you are NOT in control, like with the doc!
My husband was in the Navy for 23 years. HE was in many countries and had to deal with stress that is beyond anything here. AND He can NOT lay on his back and work on a car. He gets claustrophobic, then he starts freaking [sign in to see URL] air around the car and he can not breath. When we rebuilt my Dads trailer this last [sign in to see URL] had to lay on the ground UNDER the trailer and do that work.
Dear [sign in to see URL] friend from Argentina, she is manic depressant and she was literally on her death bed this last month because she had to suddenly stop her walks on the beach, because her sister went back to work and she had to stay home to take care of her [sign in to see URL] started crashing down. She had no place she could go and reduce her stress and she ended beyond depressed and caught the flu. Her oldest son had to take care of the family and [sign in to see URL] almost did not make it..... emoticon
I'm just saying that ....anything can set those dominoes up and even less to set them to falling.
Just try to take daily things one at a time. Small things. Concentrate on the things that need done first. Nothing else. Might only be getting out of bed and brushing your teeth.
Then work your way up to getting dressed and cleaning or cooking and then going out. ONE thing at a time, one day at a time. emoticon

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Thanks Queeny, never having had any illness, this too is a complete trauma for me.. finding out what mortality really is...

it helps to know that I am not alone in all of this.

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Oh [sign in to see URL] are never alone. emoticon

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Nanny, you are never alone. emoticon emoticon

I had to have an injection for pain in my mouth to get 2 fillings last week. I almost passed out because of the pain of that needle. They had to shake me and tell me to breathe. That caused an adrenaline rush which caused me to shake. I don't avoid the dentist but I get very stressed if there is any work to be done.

That was just one little thing. You have had a lot to deal with lately. Just be sure to tell your doctor everything. Write it all down and show him your list.

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so question, I keep feeling these down feelings, not me at all.. can`t sort out if it is "grieving" or depression

I keep telling Jim that I will not be depressed, I will fight it, I will beat it..

so question, is that possible? or do I need the doc to prescribe some pills for me? is it possible for me to say "I will not be depressed" and I will succeed?

I am taking the 5-HTP but can`t say that I feel any benefit, still not sleeping good, wake every couple of hours, come 2 or 3 am and it hits me..

so can I beat this with willpower? just by being strong?
it`s o.k. if you tell me that I can`t do this without medication... I just don`t like take stuff

Lucy, thanks for that, it really, really helps to know that I am not alone, that I am not being "silly/weak"

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There are many ways you can beat this with willpower, mostly by doing things that help.

The biggest, most helpful thing you can do is exercise. I know, it's a terrible word. emoticon

But there are studies that suggest taking a good, long walk every day has as much influence as taking medicine (obviously, that's for the milder cases, but since you're actively fighting this, you're a milder case).

So try to get out and walk for an hour a day. Or for 30 minutes twice a day, or even longer. Every day. This is a perfect thing to use your willpower for. I know you have a small, lovely garden, so spending extra time (in addition) to the walks puttering in your garden can help a lot, as well.

*sending lots and lots of hugs* emoticon emoticon emoticon

Yes, you can beat this. But if the walks don't help and the 5-HPT doesn't help (remember, this can take a few weeks to kick in), then you may need addition help with medication.

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Thanks Firle.. I am listening, and taking note

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Oh, Nanny, I am so sorry that you are going through this.

I don't know that much about depression, but I think that you should talk to your doctor about this, since it seems to have been going on for a while. Don't hold back from your doctor. Tell everything.

I just want you to know that I love you, and I am praying for you and Jim, too, as I know that you have both been going through a lot lately.

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Nanny some people can beat depression alone with will power only, and some people can not. But I don't think it's because a person is strong or weak. I think it's the type of depression.
I mean depression can be as life threatening, as when one loses their whole family in an accident and does not want to go on [sign in to see URL] a simple as having to move to another town and not liking it. AND every thing in between...
I think you can beat this, and also use the help from doctors and exercise. I back Firle up on [sign in to see URL] know taking a walk, or working in my yard, even if my back kills me, it helps my mental status. My [sign in to see URL] of them, need to be out in a walk or garden, along with Psychiatrists, and medical general practitioner doctors.
[sign in to see URL]'d say you need professional help. BUT ALSO you need to still be determined and [sign in to see URL] they will work. emoticon
SO if you don't like the drugs because of how they make you feel. Perhaps you can see a Psychiatrists or support group, they give you mental exercises that can help. They can help you beat the triggers that hit you, they can teach you how to stop a trigger and move past that moment. emoticon

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Nanny, how much 5-HTP are you taking? And how long have you been taking it? Those two things could be key to why it is not working at this point.

I actually think you should talk to a doctor and get something prescribed, instead of 5-HTP. If nothing prescribed works, then go back to the 5-HTP and try it again, but in an educated way.

Yes! Exercise helps! Walking helps. My only fear, at this moment in time, is that walking will be a trigger for you. Perhaps walk a different direction for awhile.

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I take 1 - 100mg in the morning
and 1 - 100mg before bedtime Susan

the box tells me not to take more than 3 tablets a day
today is the 9th day, so nearly bedtime now and I will have taken it for 9 days.
It will be interesting to hear what my doc says, as I don`t think they, our docs , are much into ,, hmm what is it called, supplementary (?) stuff.

I will let you know how my appointment goes Susan.

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The minimum dose for depression is 300mg a day. I think you should not take more than that. It takes 3 weeks to a month for it to start to work. You are right that your doctor will think these are nothing unless the doctor happens to have studied them. It is very good that you are going to the doctor, though.

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